Everything is extremely quiet on the coaching search front after the initial burst of news on Friday. According David Glenn on 850 the Buzz both sides too a break over the weekend due to their respective obligations:
According to David Glenn, the two sides took a break over the weekend to focus on actual football and NFL Network obligations and started to chat again this week. According to DG, an offer is out there, closer to $2 million dollars…way less than the $2.5-$3 million Sportsline reported. The interwebs are ablaze with rumors of Butch Davis being in town today and announcements being made at 5pm
This is not unusual, one would think he would want to tour the facilities before he actually made a decision. The biggest nugget out there would have to be the following blurb from the Boston Globe:
But Davis might hold out to see what opens up. One long shot possibility could be Alabama. Although coach Mike Shula’s team was 10-2 a year ago and went to the Cotton Bowl, the Tide are 6-4 this season after a stunning (to Tide fans) loss at home to Mississippi State Saturday. With a game at LSU this week and then the regular-season finale against Auburn, the Tide could finish 6-6, which would irritate more than a few backers. Whether it would prompt a switch is uncertain, but if it does, count on Davis, if he is still available, to get a call. One thing is sure. At Alabama, football is very much the main act. And that is why UNC officials may push Davis for a decision sooner rather than later.
So here is my take
The reports Friday night were fairly accurate in how close the two sides were. Even David Glenn went as far as to say he thought Davis would be the next coach at UNC. The activities for both parties over the weekend basically means in four days of waiting but only two days of actual negotiation have occurred. Of course the fans find this kind of thing maddening but it makes perfect sense since contracts of this nature are probably fairly complicated.
By Monday morning we had the Alabama factor to consider. When the two sides broke talks for the weekend they were undoubtedly very optimistic a deal could get done but then Alabama lost at home to Mississippi State and the possibility that the Alabama job would open up increased exponentially. Davis probably considered the Alabama job but when he started talking to UNC it seemed less likely than it does right now. The Alabama situation may have caused Davis to get cold feet and I also think that his people have most likely been talking to Alabama people through back channels. All of this probably means Davis could try and drag this situation out as long as possible before either accepting or rejecting the offer on the table. My opinion is the longer it drags out the less likely it will be that he accepts the job which would take himself out of the running for what are widely considered better jobs.
So what does this mean? It means UNC needs to do what I have said from the beginning and ask Davis for answer one way or the other.
And forgive the rant here but I am not sure why we are still messing around with this given that (1) everyone knows he does not intend to stay at UNC very long and (2) he may be more interested in some of the other potential jobs out there. This is the disease of “big name-ism” which infects the brains of athletic administrators when it comes time to hire a coach and they go after the top coach out there regardless of whether or not he is a good fit for the program. At least when NC State went after Rick Barnes the argument could be made that Barnes was a good fit for Raleigh such as in state ties and previous ACC experience. I am still waiting for someone to tell me what qualities Davis is bringing that makes him a good fit. Winning and recruiting are important but not independent of good program building or else they both die out after the coach leaves. UNC has just endured a nine year nightmare because it failed to handle two coaching transistions properly. Dick Baddour made certain decisions based on factors that had absolutely nothing to do with answering the core needs of the program. Hiring Torbush was a mistake because he did not have the credibility or experience to assume charge over the program at the level Mack Brown had built it. Hiring Bunting was because Beamer decided to stay in Blacksburg and Baddour panicked. Baddour wanted to make sure he hired someone who would take the job, Nevermind Bunting had no clue how to run a BCS level college program nor did he have any recruiting experience, he was “in the family” and we accepted it despite the fact FSU’s offensive coordinator Mark Richt was available and willing to take the job.
Now what do we have. We have this mentality in Chapel Hill that what UNC needs following the last nine years is to get a coach who yes probably can recruit and yes knows how to win but in all probability will be back out the door before accomplishing anything in terms of rebuilding the program. What UNC does not need is a coach who is committed to his own career above the program. The danger with a guy like Davis is that he does not need to show himself as someone who can build a manage a program to remain viable for better jobs. All Davis needs to do is post a couple of winning seasons and he will be credit with “turning UNC around” despite the fact he inherited a good slae of players. So following the nine year nightmare UNC fans will get some short success before having to go out and find a coach to replace Davis. And if you think replacing Davis will be easy, think again. Walking into UNC after only having Davis a few years will be difficult despite any success Davis would have. If everyone is fretting over Mike Paulus de-commiting now, what do you think players committed to Davis will do when he resigns? And while there would optimism UNC can bring in someone to build on Davis’ foundation I think that foundation will be weak considering Davis would have more interested in winning than building a legacy.
Am I being overly pessimistic here? Probably and maybe I need to calm down and see how this goes. I cannot escape the feeling that we are watching the first domino fall in a sequence of events which drops UNC football exactly at this same point some eight to ten years from now. It is almost like I can see it all unfold, the Davis hiring and then a quick resignation, the difficulty of finding someone to follow Davis or even the promotion of an assistant. This is followed by the dip in recruiting from all of the de-commitments after Davis leaves and the inevitable lean times found in a transition. Follow that up with other circumstances will snowball and UNC football will find itself in this boat again searching for a coach to get the program back to winning. All of this because they were not smart enough to address the real needs of the program and instead decided to pursue a band aid fix instead of a long term building of the program. UNC needs a coach who is willing to stay with the program and build a legacy. UNC needs to hire a coach whose career ambitions match UNC’s desire to have a winning program long term. If UNC is only a stopping point on the way up, as some have suggested, then the least you can do is find a coach who needs about 8-10 years to make himself marketable for bigger job. And who knows, perhaps the right coach will be convinced to stay put and make UNC his destination job to continue what he has built.
So if Davis opts out that will be just fine with me. And if he is hired, then get yourself ready to do this all again in the very near future.
November 8, 2006 at 7:48 am |
I personally believe that Alabama will open up. Shula has never been that popular and 6-6 with a home loss to Mississippi State is unacceptable to Tide fans.
The question again is expectations. Does Butch want to go somewhere where for now 6-7 wins are acceptable or somewhere where anything less than 10 isn’t.
I also don’t think that UNC will wait for him to find out what happens at Alabama. I think it’s now or never.
November 8, 2006 at 7:49 am |
Well said….Davis needs to commit or move on.
November 8, 2006 at 8:55 am |
After the tragic events at Miami last night, I have to believe there is no way that Coker retains his position. BD might very well be lured back to again “rebuild” the Canes. If BD had his heart in Chapel Hill, he would have already signed. Why is DB waiting to be left at the alter, make a statement that BD is no longer under consideration. Then we can get the right fit…who in my opinion is Paul Johnson.
November 8, 2006 at 9:43 am |
If BD is the choice (not the choice I would make, since he will want to leave for greener pastures in a couple of years) then he needs to put ink to the paper. I agree with Anthony that Paul Johnson is the better fit. Proven winner no matter what the talent level is.
November 8, 2006 at 10:19 am |
please no!! Davis will just use UNC as a stepping stone to a bigger program or perhaps even a return to the NFL. We should be focusing on guys like Kragthorpe and Paul Johnson–consistent winners with head coaching experience who understand the college game. I realize Davis meets those criteria, but there is no chance he’ll be happy at UNC. Regardless of whether we get upset at the perception that UNC is a b-ball school, the fact remains that, nationally, UNC is perceived as a basketball first school. I don’t think Davis will be happy playing 2nd fiddle to Roy and Co. If I was Baddour (perish the thought), I’d pull whatever information I could find on every coach in the MAC. Those guys know how to put together programs!!
November 8, 2006 at 11:07 am |
In the end Butch Davis will be the next Head Football Coach at the University of North Carolina.
The rest of this is rampant paranoia. The deal is made but the devil is in the details.
If he stays for 1 year or 7 he will show us what it is going to take to be a great program.
Until it is announced he will be linked with every available and soon to be available coaching job.
‘Bama will wait another year before they replace The Bear again.Look for Terry Bowden to thumb his nose at War Eagle and go for the job.
Butch is perfect for the job and he will love it. He will play second fiddle to no one and may end up the BCOC.
As far as a MAC coach we tried, he lied, now he is “hook”ed to another program.
I know it is hard to accept change but I know after a short adjustment period you will say ,” he is the one we wanted all along”, and he is!
Can’t we all get along and welcome Butch Davis the next Head coach?
well I can , and I have no doubt about it.
November 8, 2006 at 11:26 am |
Whether this is a done deal or not is really beside the point
If he stays five to seven years then that actually would be acceptable, especially if they are five to seven winning seasons. At that point a new AD would be in place and even more than that perhaps they will make provisions for replacing Davis ahead of time. If he stays 2-3 years the there is no way anyone can convince me that is enough to solve the problems UNC football has. And I am not sure how he can “show us what it is going to take to be a great program” in only one year. As I said in the post, all of the alleged losing of recruits everyone whines about right now will pale in comparison to the number of guys who will de-commit if Davis resigns.
I just do not share your optimism about that Davis will bring anything but a cosmetic cover for the deeper issues, unless he makes a long term commitment to stay at least five years or longer. I think we all know that is not going to happen and I think hiring Davis sets in motion a certain chain of events we, as UNC fans, will all come to regret.
I do not questions his ability to make UNC a winner, I question his loyalty to anyone other than himself.
November 8, 2006 at 11:34 am |
Roman has a very optomistic view, I like it.
I will not be devistated if(I’m still not convinced he’s coming) we get Butch Davis. He will definitely get UNC some publicity and likely will improve recuriting such that even if he leaves after a season or so the talent level will be where a successor could do well.
I just believe that a lessor name who has proven his ability(aka Paul Johnson) would be a better choice for the long term stability of the program.
But if Butch is the guy, I will be pumped and will look forward to seeing the Tarheels play competative football again.
November 8, 2006 at 12:03 pm |
I agree with that much and I will enjoy every win he brings in but I also do not like the idea that we will have to look over our shoulder every year that rolls around. From November on every season we will deal with a rumor storm around the guy UNLESS he says that he intends to stay and even that is worth a grain of salt.
So to sum up:
Yes, I will be happy with winning and credibility with Davis if he comes.
No, I do not think he will be here very long nor do I think he will actually end up signing on.
Yes, I think it will create problems in the long run if he does come and then leaves quick.
And, yes I think we can accomplish the same thing over a longer stretch by hiring Paul Johnson or someone similar.
November 8, 2006 at 12:39 pm |
The way he can show us what it takes even in one year is the same way it takes a freshman actually seeing the speed of the game to know what is expected. You can practiceand prepare but nothing beats the actual speed of the game itself. Butch will show us life inthereal fast lane. It is time toget off I-85 and get onto the Autobahn.We cannot back down because we are afraid to lose him.
What will keep Paul Johnson or whoever from leaving? It is the lowertier Coach looking for a ladder to climb that is more risky than taking an established major coach. Butch Davis does not need UNC to boost his stock for a better job,I think you have it backwards.
yes, Butch will be the coach and it will not be too much longer we have to wait for the news.
If we really”are Carolina” then we really should trust what we have to offer. I see no reason fromour end why he could not be happy and content to finish his creer on the Hill. The other side we have no control over with him or any other coach we may hire.
The biggest risk to our program is to allow fear of losing him to cause us to lose him.
It makes no sense to start any lower than the top of the list.Unless we really do not want to have a program at the highest level, in which case we should just let JB stay. Because we know for a fact he would not leave us by choice.
Give it a few more hoursand all this speculation will be a moot point.
November 8, 2006 at 1:26 pm |
“The way he can show us what it takes even in one year is the same way it takes a freshman actually seeing the speed of the game to know what is expected.”
Do you think we do not remember what is was like under Mack Brown? The problem there was Baddour opted two coaches using faulty reasoning.
“What will keep Paul Johnson or whoever from leaving? It is the lowertier Coach looking for a ladder to climb that is more risky than taking an established major coach. Butch Davis does not need UNC to boost his stock for a better job,I think you have it backwards.”
Uh, no I don’t. Davis has zero incentive to stay in Chapel Hill if an SEC job like Alabama opens up. Like you said he already has his credibility and winning games in one or two seasons at UNC adds to that credibility. If you brought Paul Johnson in he would need to establish himself for a longer period of time to (1) put together a long enough string of winning seasons to show he can build a program and sustain it and (2) to not make himself look like a coach who jumps from school to school. In other words his interest and UNC’s interest of long term success would be mutual because it would be mutually beneficial. Granted it is a total crapshoot but if you are playing odds then I say the chances of a hit and run with Davis is ten times higher than it is with Johnson, especially when you consider Johnson has family ties in state and that could be a anchoring point for him.
My problem is that just because a guy is at the top of the list does not mean he is the best fit with given the dynamics of college football and UNC’s place in those dynamics. This is a quick fix in an effort to gain instant credibility and does not necessarily result in a long term plan of success.
You could be right, he could stay put and decide that this is his final legacy but that would be contrary to the conventional wisdom of the day and what we presently know about him. The bottom line is you have to get some level of assurance than you are getting more than a two or three year stopover for a coach on his way to a national contender or the NFL. Short of that I am convinced that this process will repeat itself in the short run and that seems a little dumb to put yourself in that position when you can avoid it altogether.
It is not about being afraid to lose him, it is about understanding that you are about to be used by someone whose career has been replete with wanderlust.
November 8, 2006 at 3:00 pm |
shall we continue this on the ,”Davis done deal?”page? This will become one of the best days of the rest of our Tar Heel football lives.I do not think it will be long before we realize how big this is going to be.I am sorry but I do not see this as a stepping stone for Davis and I do not think it will take long for others to agree. Watch what they do.This is a great day to be a Tar Heel!