ACC Basketball Update: 2nd Round NCAA Tournament


North Carolina


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  • On behalf of Tar Heel Nation let me express our heartfelt gratitude to the other teams in the ACC for really showing up and representing the conference.
  • Maryland returned to mid-season form at the wrong time.
  • Virginia played well enough to win, Tennessee was just a little better.
  • Virgina Tech illustrated that they had no clue what they are doing in the NCAA Tournament
  • Boston College drew a tough matchup they did not have the interior presence to handle.
  • Roy Williams became Obi-Wan Kenobi to John Swafford’s Princess Leia as the only hope left for the ACC.

76 Responses to ACC Basketball Update: 2nd Round NCAA Tournament

  1. Chuckheel says:

    You will probably touch on this later in the week, but I have to ask. What is it with the media’s love for G’Town? Isn’t this the same team that had a 30 something lead on Villanova in the Big East Tournament and won by 4?
    I mean I understand that Roy Hibbert is 7 ft. But, Carolina has two impressive big men and Ty Lawson running the show.
    When the brackets were coming out, I was hoping Carolina would get either Wisconsin, G’Town or Memphis as its second seed.
    What do you think? Am I underestimating G’Town?

  2. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I will probably get into it if we and the Hoyas advanced. My take on them now is they are a solid team with great interior presence who did well in a Big East know more for slugging it out than playing up tempo. They also lost to Old Dominion and Duke earlier in the season which really does not mean anything now but just worth noting. G’town plays about seven guys total with some of their starters going over 35 minutes. Now in the commerical laden NCAA Tournament this is less of an advantage but I still think the pressure Lawson puts on a defense is going to help. My main concern is Tyler tends to have trouble with opposing centers who are taller than him which is where Brandan Wright will need to step up. The X factor as always is Terry who is on the verge of reaching George Lynch status with his play.

    This is all conditional on both teams winning Friday which is no guarantee.

  3. williamodouglas says:

    The media likes a great story. G-town is coached by John Thompson, Jr. and has Patick Ewing Jr playing for it, not to mention that they are pretty good.

    I am not sure that I understand the Swofford metaphors from Star Wars.

  4. Tar Heel Fan says:

    “Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope”

  5. williamodouglas says:

    I think that you are being too hard on Swofford. I mean since expansion look how good ACC football has become. We had 1 team in the top 16 teams in the nation last year. Not too shabby!

  6. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I am not being hard on Swofford, I am just saying UNC is the last hope for the ACC to make a serious NCAA run this year which is more money for the conference.

  7. williamodouglas says:

    I was just kidding. I think that the ACC should trade BC back to the Big East in exchange for West Virginia and a Miami to be added later.

  8. Josh Bowling says:

    I sure hope that our boys do not get discouraged by all these analysts’ analysis. I am wishful that they understand that they are a team to beat themselves, and I wish as well that they have an underlying understanding that they are better than Georgetown (whom the color commentators have as the best Georgetown team ever). It would be nice if all this serves to further tick the tarheels off and cause them to demolish Georgetown.

  9. Tar Heel Fan says:

    “whom the color commentators have as the best Georgetown team ever”

    Really? What kind of crack were they smoking? Did they miss 1982-1985? 1989-90?

  10. Tar Heel alum and fan says:

    Looking ahead to Georgetown is a mistake. USC has talented offensive players and can play tough defense. If UNC looks ahead it loses. And Vanderbilt should not be taken lightly either. If UNC plays to its potential we should be OK but any “lulls” or lack of intensity will be a real problem. I hope we play with a chip on our shoulders – a lot of people and analysts are writing us off already.

  11. C. Michael says:

    I agree. A regional final of Vandy versus USC would not be a shock at all. That being said, I still like the moxy the Heels have shown in their last 6!

  12. Josh Bowling says:

    I agee as well that we shouldn’t look past anyone. However, when there is talk of a final four, we have to bring our own names up. What does it say about our team if We are not willing to speak in confidence of their advancement in the tournament, even if it is a foreseen advancement? So with that being said, I have our team in the final four (not overlooking anyone as GT, USC,Vandy, will be matchups we could loose to). It is frustrating to me as I watch Around the Horn and Pardon the Interruption to see there is no mention of UNC anywhere. It’s not like they are talking bad about UNC, they do not even mention them! – Even when our bracket comes up, USC gets talked about, and the beloved Georgetown gets air time, but No UNC! Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon-No Mention. Mariatti, Bob Ryan, Planskye, No Mention of UNC. Only Woody Paige mentioned UNC, and he had them going to the National Championship game! It is difficult to be silent when analyst are not even talking about us period. As bad as I hate to say it, I can’t wait to hear the voice of Vitale. At least he Talks about UNC!


  13. williamodouglas says:

    Lose to USC in New Jersey? As if. Pretty soon you guys will be telling me we could lose to VPI at home. What? Oh…. Nevermind.

  14. Dr. Seuss says:

    Amen brother. I was wondering if I was the only one who had noticed this. Along with the list of people you mentioned who are not mentioning the heels, College Game day makes mention of them only in passing when they run through the East regions; of course that can be attributed to Diggers presence to some extent. I’m not being paranoid or overly sensitive, but there definitely seems to be an odd conspicuousness to the oversight. Not only are the Heels missing from mention on the boob tube, nothing from the print/online media either. CBS Sportsline, nothing, nothing. I was able to find one article on ESPN a day or so ago, and that has been it. I don’t get it. We just set the all time record for reaching the sweet 16; we won the National Championship just two short years ago, with Reyshawn Terry and Wes Miller being the only two active players who were part of that team. On top of that the Heels are playing some of their best basketball of the season. Brando Wright is largely regarded to be third overall pick in the NBA draft. Hansbrough outscored Durant this weekend, and the combination performance of he and Ty was the most dominant play of any two teammates over the entire weekend. Taking all of that into consideration, I can’t figure out why Carolina is getting the silent treatment.

  15. TxTarheel says:

    a pox on all their houses! Florida is pre-annointed as the next dynasty; UCLA is resurging to greatness just like the Wooden years (. . .again), Georgetown is reclaiming their place as Big East dominator, and Ohio State is the next big whoop in the Big Ten. KU is an afterthought it seems, and then the Heels might get a mention. I agree on not looking past USC; I doubt Roy will allow that to happen (roll tape of Arizona in 1997 . . ). Hansbrough is returning to full-fledged form, Lawson was in control late on Saturday, and Terry showed up late when UNC needed some outside points. This team appears to be peaking, but few are catching onto that.

  16. Dr. Seuss says:

    Yeah USC makes me a little nervous and I’m not even sure why. We are obviously much more talented than both Michigan State and USC. With Michigan State I was a little concerned about how we would match up with them considering that they were nearly as a good of a rebounding team as the Heels, not to mention their often heralded defense that shows quite a bit of zone (which, according to all the sports analysts, is a sure way to hand Roy an L). But looking at the match up with USC, it seems that we would have a huge advantage. They have virtually no size at all in the paint. Tyler and BW could go easily go for 20+ each (and maybe Deon too). Their PG was a 2G last year and they avg. 14 turnovers a game which could easily lead to a UNC clinic on full court transition offense. With UNCs post season commitment/attitude/focus/toughness/what ever you want to call it, and taking into account that these guys are going to be playing 3 time zones away from home, it seems like all the cards are stacked in our favor. Maybe that’s what makes me nervous. That and perhaps the fear that all the hype the talking heads are spewing over G’Town gets the Heels looking ahead to the Hoyas and past the Trojans. That would be a very dangerous thing to do.

  17. Dr. Seuss says:

    To be honest, I’m not so sure that I don’t like Vandy over G’Town anyway… I haven’t quite made up my mind on that one yet.

  18. Tar Heel Fan says:

    USC will be well coached you can be sure of that. The issue is not whether they have the height to defend out bigs. USC has good guard play and if you can bother Lawson and Ellington you can create problems for getting the ball inside to our post players. That is how VPI beat us twice.

    The upside to that is Lawson is a whole lot better than he was when VPI beat us. I also think this team has show incredible toughness to deal with whatever USC throws at us. There are no easy games at this point and this one will not be but I think we can prevail.

  19. Dr. Seuss says:

    I’ve often wondered how things would go if Roy occasionally subbed Frasor in a the 2G spot, particularly in situations like this where we’ll be getting a lot of pressure on the ball from the USC guards.

  20. Dr. Seuss says:

    Sounds like USC just had the perfect dress rehearsal for their upcoming game against the Heels. Not the best of news…

    “I thought Gabe Pruitt did a terrific job out front on Augustin,” Floyd said. “We felt like he was the guy that dominated the ball and they really relied on his penetration. [Pruitt] had help from Nick Young and help from Taj Gibson all night long. The key thing you have to do is stay between him and the basket, and that’s what Pruitt did.”

    Floyd said having four Trojans guards on the court also prevented the Longhorns from scoring baskets in transition.

    “We felt like we had opportunities to double with the smaller lineup and get there quicker,” Floyd said. “We felt like they were an offensive transition team. Their biggest focus is getting it from off the defensive board and getting it down and laying it up. [The small lineup] enabled us to get three guards back on defense instead of two. For the majority of the game, they were having to walk the ball up the floor, and I think that was a result of the small lineup. Had we not gone small, there probably would have been more transition baskets.”

    Full article

  21. Dr. Seuss says:

    Actually the word perfect may be a bit strong. Texas didn’t have an interior presence anything like what the Heels bring. And the critics are saying that with our bigs, UNC is just the kind of team that has given USC trouble all year. Even if what they are saying is true about no one in the ACC playing defense any thing like what we will see when the Heels face off with the Trojans, I doubt that crowd from the West Coast has seen anything resembling the likes of Tyler Hansbrough.

    Speaking of, I finally found an article that gives a respectable nod to my favorite player from Popular Bluff.

    Now was that too much to ask for.

  22. Dr. Seuss says:

    Actually, now that I think about it, I’m saying that the ‘experts’ are wrong. We have seen a defense like that of USC. It came by way of Dowdell and Gordan and the result was two big fat losses for my beloved Tarheels! It will be interesting, hopefully just not too interesting…

  23. williamodouglas says:

    Frasor just hasn’t looked that good with the ball, although his shooting has been pretty good. I think that Roy is saving him for next year.

    One reason why the media is ignoring UNC is that they don’t want to have to talk about Texas, whom they declared the future victor over UNC.

    In terms of tape, Roy can just show them the game from L.A. last year. I rushed back from Xmas to watch that on Fox Sports Net and that was the worst Carolina game since the Doherty years. Man, was that ugly. The Heels looked exactly how we expected them to look all last year.

  24. williamodouglas says:

    I am still wondering about B. Wright. Admittedly, Deon Thompson is pretty damn good. Maybe Roy just thought that D.T. was getting it done, but it seemed as though Wright hardly played, even though the box said 23 minutes. Of course, I missed the first ten minutes thanks to Viacom….

  25. Dr. Seuss says:

    From a write up by Jay Bilas on

    “The funny part is that most observers expected Durant to play for the Tar Heels because Durant is so close to North Carolina freshman Ty Lawson. If Durant had chosen the Baby Blue, we could all just stay home, because North Carolina would have skated to the title.”

    I had never heard that before, had anyone else?

    I did however hear that Lebron if not going straight to the NBA, had wanted to play for UNC. I think he would be a senior this year. Lol! Can you imagine the team we have now plus Durant and Lebron. I’m not sure that team wouldn’t give a good game to many of the NBA teams right now.

    That was the first I had heard about Ty and Durant being buds, or about Durant having considered UNC.

  26. Dr. Seuss says:

    After reading this I’m wondering about the credibility of my info on BW concerning his departure for the NBA. Although he could just be doing what most top NBA prospects with remaining college eligibility do in telling the media anything that will get them off their back.

  27. C. Michael says:

    It’s true about Durant. He and Lawson played at Oak Hill together and Durant was thought to becoming to UNC right up until the moment he chose Texas. After Lawson, Ellington and Wright signed, and Durant was one the way, there was a lot of talk about UNC bringing in the greatest recruiting class of all time; I know a lot of analysts still feel the current class could be. Apparently D.J. Augustine was as well, until Lawson signed.

    LeBron has always maintained that he woudl have gone to OSU, which is why they where his LBJ23 line uniforms; however, Dwight Howard, Marvin WIlliams, and J.R. Smith should all be juniors at UNC!!!

  28. C. Michael says:

    I’d be surprised, but not shocked, if Brandan came back next year. That being said, a starting five of Lawson, Ellington, Green/Ginyard, Thompson, and Hansbrough and a good bench will still be at worst, a top-5 team.

  29. 52BigGameJames says:

    fwiw: not that they needed him, but Felton would’ve had a solid back-up at point in the Title year, had Brian Morrison not transferred to UCLA, where he had a pretty decent senior season as their starting PG. I would like to see what Roy could’ve done with that kid…lotta potential.

  30. Chris says:

    I think the experience is that you can throw out most of the stats once you get to the 16. Anyone who thinks we have a distinct advantage over USC is blowing wind at this stage. IF the Lawson/Hansbrough combo plays like it did last game, we should win, but who knows? I didn’t even bother to tune into the game we lost against NC State until the last five minutes and got quite a surprise……….On the Brandon issue, if they show him the lottery money, he’s gone.

  31. Chris says:

    Any thoughts about the possibility of losing both Wright and Hansbrough to the lottery? Has Tyler said he’s hanging around to graduate?

  32. C. Michael says:

    Hansbrough was quoted last week as saying he didn’t see himself leaving early. has him listed as the #27 pick in the 2008 draft (Ellington #11, Lawson #26). Tyler will never be considered an elite (lottery) pro prospect.

  33. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I think the age restriction weakened last year’s draft which means he would have been better off to have gone last year along with McBob. This season it is heavy with all of those freshmen who had to wait plus he has not “looked” as good this season as he did last. I think Tyler stays one more, and I wish he would stay all four because I would like to see if he could challenge Phil Ford’s scoring record.

    Lawson has said before he wants to be top 5 when he goes. That is not right now. I think Wright will go.

  34. C. Michael says:

    Lawson won’t be Top 5 next year, either. Not with guys like Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, Michael Beasley and OJ Mayo in the draft. Not to mention some of this years frosh, like Buddinger and Arthur.

  35. Tar Heel Fan says:

    His height is going to be an issue for him I think.

  36. C. Michael says:

    I agree. It was even a minor issue with Felton and Chris Paul, and they 3 and 5 inches on Lawson, respectively.

  37. Josh Bowling says:

    Does anyone have the time of the game against USC?


  38. Dr. Seuss says:


    What is your take on the comparison with what USC did to beat Texas and what the Va Tech backcourt did in their sweep of the Heels this year?

  39. Dr. Seuss says:

    I think I’m gonna be sick. Cold Pizza is on and the topic of discussion (I can barely type it) is —

    Dean Smith: Best ever?

    THF: Is that better?

  40. Dr. Seuss says:


    Do me a favor and delete that last post. Makes me sick to see it on the screen.

  41. C. Michael says:

    Dr. Seuss,

    Check out Carolina Water Cooler’s head-to-head of Coach Smith and Coach KKK, it should appease some of your pain.

  42. Dr. Seuss says:

    I’m not going to open that can of worms. I will be here typing till the tip with the Trojans. We all the know the deal.

  43. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I think the comparison between USC and VT is valid. USC has experienced taller guards who can probably exert the same pressure on Lawson/Ellington/Frasor/Miller that Dowdell and Gordon did. The difference in my opinion between now and then is Lawson has really reached Raymond Felton territory with how he can push the ball and change the game. UNC should have huge rebounding edge but will have their hands full chasing what amounts to a four guard lineup out there.

    In other words, this could very well be the Villanova game all over again.

  44. williamodouglas says:

    Art Chansky’s new book goes into some of the recruiting revolving doors. I had figured that Durant was going to UNC because of Lawson also, as I believe most analysts did. He changed schools, however, to up here in Maryland at Montrose Christian so he was no longer playing with Lawson last year. I believe that because he intended to be one and done, he opted for Texas because of their staggering facilities which are apparently the best in the nation. If you don’t intend to really commit heart and soul to a program, you might as well get treated like royalty for one year at Texas.

    This wasn’t necessarily devastasting for UNC as we had Hansbrough and some of the other bigs, but then, according to Chansky, out of the blue, B. Wright decided not to attend Duke and called Roy Williams to tell him that he was coming to Chapel Hill. Roy had tentatively offered the last scholarship to Thaddeus Young, but when Wright announced he was coming, Young ended up at Georgia Tech. If Wright only stays one year, maybe it will remain to be seen whether Young might have been a better choice, but he might go pro early too.

    The team that was devastated by all this was Duke. They had been counting on B. Wright to help them maintain their top five ranking and when they lost him, they ended up with Lance Thomas, who was apparently touted as far, far better than he looked this year. As another aside, apparently Wake Forest was second in the races for both Mike Conley, Jr. and Greg Oden. Prosser may have bet the farm on those two and lost and could very well be out of a job after next season.

  45. Dr. Seuss says:

    Maybe I imagined it, but I thought after last season I heard Skip Prosser had taken a job with Cincinnati. Was that ever a rumor or did I just conjure that up out of nowhere?

  46. williamodouglas says:

    He blew it. Instead of accepting his dream job at Cincy, he let the situation linger and ended up ruining Wake’s season. Wake actually had talent last year, unlike this year. By the time that the end of the season came and Wake vastly underperformed and broke their 17 year streak of winning seasons, and went 3-13 in the ACC, Cincy no longer wanted him, not that they are burning down the house with their ultimate choice.

  47. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Heh…I get to that later.

  48. Josh Bowling says:

    That article along with others have me pretty damn scared of Georgetown. Just kidding. I am confident we have the resolve to beat them regardless of their hype and ability. But we must ask the questions. Have we seen a talented center like Hibbert with the long frame 7’2, and wide body? Will he be able to swipe out Lawson drives to the basket? Will our guards be able to see the floor over their taller guards? The only reason I ask the latter is the fact that I play a lot of basketball myself. When I am guarded by someone my size or smaller, I can visually see the floor as if no one is in the gymn. I can see all the defense and all of my teammates. When my 6’4″ cousin is guarding me (I am 5’11), I can hardly see my teammates to pass them the ball, and it is hard to see a play evolving, as all I can see is his tall frame guarding me. So I try to just drive ahead of him and hope that a teammate is there or a spot up shooter is in my field of vision. Now that is me of course. I am sure with polished atheletes like Lawson and Ellington, they are accustomed to this and can deal with it like it is nothing. But those degrees of difficulty scare me with this potential matchup. Have we seen this kind of talented size yet is my question?!

  49. Josh Bowling says:

    Just another question. Is it possible for the sports media to scare a team like UNC with all the talk of a matchup with Georgetown that wouldn’t otherwise exist? I mean, what if there was no sports media. UNC could go into this game highly confident and win like there was nothing to it. But because of big media hype, UNC goes in scared, GT wins tipoff and scores first, and all of a sudden fear comes in whereas without all the media hype, UNC just gets the ball and scores themselves like they know they can win the game. Has the media caused us to fear? Has the Georgetown team caused us to fear by great play? Has UNC caused us to fear? Should we not fear at all? I am just scared of long people when we play. And they are long, and athletic.

  50. Dr. Seuss says:

    I almost don’t even want to read that article at SI. It’s just going to make my blood boil. I’m not saying that I think the Heels should be the hands down favorites to win the tournament, but just an inkling of respect would nice. I think 99% of the country had us loosing to either Texas or Georgetown. And now that USC has beaten Texas, the Heels have been designated as the most likely to be upset in the Sweet 16. If the Heels are so freakin’ vulnerable, then why in the hell did the selection committee give us a number one seed? Of course I want the Heels to go all the way, but I will be more than happy if we can just make it to Atlanta. Maybe we can get Stewart Scott to call an industry luncheon and serve crow to all the geniuses out there who have already counted us out. Man that pisses me off! We have got to at least get past the Trojans!

  51. C. Michael says:

    I bet G’town gets beat by Vandy, and will laugh my ass off at all of the “experts” at that time…

  52. 52BigGameJames says:

    ironic ain’t it that we’re mentioning Georgetown’s intimidation of UNC. This Hoya team’s got absolutely nuthin on the scowlin, growlin Hoya’s of Ewing and Graham. Worthy went right at em–& this UNC team is thrice as loaded as the 82 version. The comparison isn’t even close. Add to that the monkey was still on Dean’s back and you begin to get an idea of the pressure. One at a time…like dominoes.

  53. C. Michael says:

    G’town lost to ODU, at home. UNC doesn’t have a bad loss that comes even close.

  54. Chris says:

    I think all the negative stuff plays to our advantage……let’s be the “underdog” and then go in there with something to prove, and prove it. I don’t believe that these players get “scared” by the media, they’ve been playing since age 4 and have seen plenty of tough games. I’d rather have the negative stuff than the positive…….the monkey is on everyone else’s back except Florida, as we have a recent championship and don’t have much to prove to anyone. Tim Floyd learned to lose big when he was with the Chicago Bulls, and he’s just going to have to accept another loss with the trojans. As for Georgetown, if Duke can beat them……….

  55. Dr. Seuss says:

    Just what I thought. Noticing that the article was at and then reading Josh Bowling’s comments I was sure it stunk of Luke Winn. I really really do not like that little punk. He’s a bitch in a man’s clothing; shouldn’t he be off covering the US Men’s Figure Skating team anyway. Over half of everything that jackass has ever written has rubbed me the wrong way. What really sucks is that IF the Tarheels make it to the Final Four I will have no means of personally rubbing it in his pesky little face.

  56. Chris says:

    SI has as much credibility as a comment from Brent Musberger after a 3 day drinking binge……………..

  57. Dr. Seuss says:

    I am honestly more worried about USC than I am the Hoyas…

  58. Josh Bowling says:

    These are quality teams we are playing. I will have my defense ready to anyone who says we advance by the help of other teams’ upsets. USC, Georgetown, and Vandy are good programs.

  59. williamodouglas says:

    Now, now. I shouldn’t have posted it. They just think that they are being original by picking someone besides the Heels. This guy had Wisconsin at the top of his power ratings earlier this year so I think he likes to try to be different. Honestly, Carolina has traditionally had more people in the media than just about any school and it seems as though most were picking us to win two years ago in what amounted to essentially a pick-em final.

    Did any of you see in SI that G’town lied about Patrick Ewing’s height and he was really only 6’9″?

  60. Dr. Seuss says:

    You know they will. They already are.

    Luke Winn:

    “There are reasons to doubt UNC as well, such as the fact that it let a rather average Spartans team hang around for 30-plus minutes in Winston-Salem.”

    Joe Rexrode on the UNC:

    “But these guys won’t have home crowds and overmatched opponents available in East Rutherford, N.J.”


    ” It didn’t cost them a win over the offensively limited Spartans. But it won’t get them past Texas or USC or Georgetown.”

    If we are fortunate enough to advance, no matter who we have to beat to do so, it appears that this year, the Heels will still get no respect. The other team will have had an off night, or they had jet lag, or a hangnail or something. Apparently UNC has not beaten a quality team all season, as every one of our W’s came against a woeful opponent.

  61. 52BigGameJames says:

    have you ever tried to shoot with a hangnail, or tried to trap with a jet-lag hangover? I love the Heels but let’s be real!

  62. Dr. Seuss says:

    I hear what you are saying williamodouglas, but I can’t understand why the media is not with the Heels THIS year. I think this team is pretty damn good! Dick Vitale has the Heels winning it all and then some other cat over ESPN has them losing to OSU in the Final Four (I could live with that). But having every other sports analyst in the country adamantly proclaiming they are inferior to every other 1 seed in the tournament as well as the 2,4, and 5 seeds in the East bracket is really pissing me off. These guys have done a great job this year, from Roy keeping the peace and managing so much talent, to Ty growing up and becoming an exceptional point guard, to Tyler overcoming an assault and brushing aside any notion of being timid or gun shy, but instead reappearing more determined and aggressive than ever. Then Reyshawn has come up big in big moments. I’m just proud of all of these guys, not to mention the vast improvement in Q,… I could go on and on. Hell maybe it’s just me, but I feel these guys deserve a little more appreciation than what they are getting.

  63. Dr. Seuss says:

    The ACC can’t even ‘represent’ in the NIT.

    MISS ST. 86
    FSU 71

    …and at the hands of an SEC team too… bah!

    Wow, I’ve finally come full circle back to the original topic…lol!

  64. Josh Bowling says:

    I am glad one of us (Seuss) at least made an attempt to stay on topic. I appreciate you articulating how I feel in a manner better than I could do myself. You are on target with your assessment of our media coverage. William, I understand that people like to be risky in their picks. It makes them look “more educated” and “sophisticated” to look beyond what the masses deem as a number one team and draw their “own conclusions”. William, I think you are right in saying that you believe that people just want to be different. I just draw my conclusions by looking at what the teams have done up to this point, look at the matchups, and try to use evidence to draw my conclusions, without regard to what others may think. I don’t do my picks to be popular or to try to be looked upon as different or intelligent. I simply look at the teams at hand. Whereas others take Williams’ assessments of what the analysts are trying to say. Great points given by Seuss and William.

  65. williamodouglas says:

    I was rooting for Mississippi State in that one as blood is thicker than water. I had no idea that Tyler’s brother Ben was that good. I wish we had him. How cool would that be? Carolina has had brothers before like the Wolfs but never at the same time.

  66. williamodouglas says:

    The main reason why people have a down perception about this year’s team is that what Carolina did last year was so amazing. Since we only lost 8 all of last year, how could we almost lose that many in the regular season? That team seriously overachieved and anyone who saw us lose to Gonzaga this year would have to admit that UNC has made enormous strides this year.

    The 3rd week in February is usually the gloomiest time of the year, with a lot of upsets. Carolina is still being judged for that bad week, even though it seems like eons ago.

    If any one of you need further cheering up, just go to Pomeroy or Sagarin and check their power ratings. They are the two most prominent in the country and both have had UNC number one, both now and even after losing to GIT and Maryland during the week from hell.

  67. 52BigGameJames says:

    how do you raise kids like that? nature or nurture? I guess it helps (like Tyler said) to have brothers whuppin up on ya every day. Yeah, that would be interesting…if for no other reason than to see what the reaction from lil bro would’ve been to GH.

  68. Tar Heel Fan says:

    That makes you wonder if the Henderson foul was probably not the first time he has been smacked in the face. No wonder he is so freaking tough. Nothing tougher than playing against your brother.

  69. 52BigGameJames says:

    Yep THF–I coach u-10 boy’s soccer and I swear you can almost pick out birth order, which have brothers etc. I would love to hear Roy ruminate on that subject as it relates to recruitiing.

  70. williamodouglas says:

    I remember the last time I played my brother, I was 21 and he was 16 and I beat him 103-100 and it was a rough, hard-fought one-on-one game, and then I retired, knowing that I would never be able to beat him again

  71. williamodouglas says:

    Here’s some more on Ben. It doesn’t sound as though Roy recruited him. The family may have wanted one of them to stay closer to home. It sounds as though Miss. State could be top ten next year given the youth of their players.

  72. williamodouglas says:

    Man, our women are losing. I guess I better go watch them on the Deuce and cheer them on to victory.

  73. williamodouglas says:

    And a tiny Black woman named Ivory shall lead them. 60-51! Great gutty win, ladies! On to the Sweet 16.

  74. Tar Heel Fan says:

    OKay I am watching the end of Bowling Green-Vandy in the women’s tournament and they actually stopped to review the clock and put 0.4 back on just so BG could go down and shoot FTs knowing full well that there was no way in heck Vandy could get the ball down for a shot with so little time left.

    Of course had the game been at Duke they would have put 2.4 seconds on the clock.

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