And Now a Word on Recruiting….

Roy Williams has heard your worries about recruiting and he wants you to know that it is still early.

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19 Responses to And Now a Word on Recruiting….

  1. 52BigGameJames says:

    top shelf recruits as a rule are vastly over-rated…McRob/Paulus? and on the flip side, Tim Duncan, Joe Smith, Antawn Jamison. much rather have a coach who’s good at finding (and polishing) the proverbial diamond-in-the-rough.

  2. Chris says:

    There is no data to suggest that your statement is true. You would have to go back, say, 15 years and see how all of the top recruits did. My sense is that if I took the number 1 through 12 rated recruits for 2007 and you took the diamond in the rough 51 through 63, you wouldn’t have a chance. Your statement until you really have the data is that top shelf recruits sometimes are vastly over-rated, not “as a rule.” The team after next year would definitely benefit if Roy could recruit two top-shelf players to help out after 2 or 3 of our best players this year leave. If he can’t, so be it, all teams have down years.

  3. Tar Heel Fan says:

    ACC Now raised a good point on this by saying the Florida, Ohio State, and UCLA have basically spoiled the UNC/Duke monopoly on recruiting. The lack of a scholarship in 2007 limited the options and in 2008 Roy simply missed on two early recruits which given his style of recruiting hurt him since it is difficult to get into the race for someone when they know they were not your first choice. In one respect 52 is correct in that Roy is very good at making the most out of the 2nd tier players so it might not hurt UNC was much as you might think. I would also expect, based on Roy’s reaction to Wright’s draft status, that he might be less inclined to push guys out unless he thinks there are an absolute lock for top three. I think Tyler might actually be back for his senior year because I do not think he is going to rate out that well.

  4. 52BigGameJames says:

    are you kiddin me–the competetive dominance history of the ACC is a case study in finding (and polishing) the unheralded players…we’ve just become spoiled being at the top (as has Duke become). I say now’s a good time to get back to basics, and like THF sez, the BW situation might serve as a good reminder. Dean’s best jobs were arguably with some of the same.

  5. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Florida: Corey Brewer #19, Scout.com Hot 100, Al Horford #56, Joakim Noah #68

    Georgetown: Jeff Green #73, Roy Hibbert #99

    I think the difference here is anyone in the top 30 is a prime candidate to leave after 1 or 2 years. Anyone below that you get for three. As Florida has proven you can win a title with that especially if you end up facing younger teams even if those teams have higher rated players.

  6. 52BigGameJames says:

    man I love that kid Brewer! did you see the feature on him during the draft? talk about “old-school”! maybe Donovan (or an assistant) keyed in on the “farm-boy” background? McGuire used to go for the tough “Bronx” kids. Ironically, Roy looks for those corn-fed types–maybe some re-focus?

  7. Dan Schwind says:

    Why are we so worried? We’re still in the running for the top-ranked SF, four top-10 ranked PFs, two top-5 SGs and we already pulled in one of the best PGs. And it’s only July! The signing period doesn’t open until the fall. Roy knows what he’s doing (recruiting-wise… we’re not going to re-hash the last 5 minutes of the regional final).

    And even if we don’t get any of those guys, which I can’t imagine happening, Roy makes things happen with solid talent. The leader of last year’s team was David Noel, who wasn’t even a ranked prospect.

    Personally, I’d rather let Roy go after who needs to go after rather than rushing forth and grabbing some highly touted player who turns into the next McBob.

  8. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I am not worried. Heck after going 23-8 and 12-4 in the ACC in 2006 after losing the top seven players from a national title team I think Roy can field a good team. They might not win the national title but as long as they are competitive I am find with that.

  9. Chris says:

    I agree that Roy is a great coach and can do good things with players of lesser ability. However, if all of your statements are correct, including the one about the rule that topshelf players are vastly overrated, why does every coach recruit year after year after year the players that are rated the highest? If you’re correct 52 the coaches should avoid the big showcase AAU tournaments and be looking around at regional tournaments for players of lesser ability who they think might be good some day. But they don’t and never will. As Schwind points out above, Roy is going in 2008 for the best ranked players that he can find, not watching Durham Hillside games for another Noel.

  10. 52BigGameJames says:

    ok Chris-it was an overstatement, substitute “often” for “as-a-rule”. I think a coach is better off looking for a certain type of profile–you obviously have to recruit talent, but there are a lot of talented players who aren’t “showcase” type players, but understand and accept the importance of role, which is critical to building a Championship team.

    “Ginger? or Mary Anne?? MA is lower maintenance, and more likely to lead to a happier and more fruitful marriage imo.

  11. Chris says:

    I agree, I’d take MA any day. They are both about 70 years old now, so recruiting might not even be that difficult.

  12. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Wow. 52 steered this thread right off the tracks. 🙂

  13. 52BigGameJames says:

    lol, I’ve been known to meander-what was the subject again?

  14. Triadboy says:

    I’m a Ginger-bred man

  15. josh bowling says:

    I find myself hardly ever agreeing with your logic Chris, but I, like yourself, would much rather have top tier picks if given the choice. I am fine if Roy sees something in someone who is not highly rated, but that is not the case here, as he may “have to settle” for someone who is not tops on the list. It’s ok if Roy has a choice between the best and good and chooses good because he thinks its the best. But in this situation the best are taken and he has no choice but good. The most we can hope for is that he picks good 2nd tier players and hones them into the same final product that he would if he had 1st tier picks like he’d wanted. I am glad to see we are eye to eye on something! 🙂

  16. 52BigGameJames says:

    as long as I’m meandering: doesn’t getting a little whiney about not always landing the (or hitching your horse to) top tier picks play right into the old Sam Cassell “wine-n-cheese” thingy? how did the 2nd & 3rd tier players work out for the Deacon football team last season, compared to the Bowden recruiting machine?

  17. josh bowling says:

    Your point has some validity here BigGame, as we will be best suited to support “what we have” regardless of its level of talent and hope for the best. But since we have historically been the best, why not command that each era measure up to it? Every so often coaching and recruiting need to be held in check so to speak. I do agree it is too early to do that here though. There is a lot of time left on the clock, and lets not throw the baby out with the bath water, as some talent may still lie in what we have left to choose from. Your crotique is needed as you described it on this subject matter and I am glad you spoke your mind!

  18. josh bowling says:

    By the way, I want a glass of Merlot, maybe Shiraz, to go with my June Hoop.

  19. 52BigGameJames says:

    thanks josh–enjoy your takes as well–salute! Hoop cheese and Merlot–only in “Paris of the Piedmont”, eh, lol?

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