Odds and Ends

Some random pieces of news for your consideration.

  • Bobby Frasor’s surgery to repair his torn ACL was successful. Great news and high hopes his rehab goes well so he is ready to play his senior season. Incidentally this is why Roy was absent from the weekly ACC teleconference which prompted various humorous and conspiratorial musings on the IC message board.
  • One of the things slipping through the cracks last week was ACC Now’s post on Butch Davis’ raise. As it turns out UNC restructured the retention bonus pay outs to cover $157,000 of the $291,000 raise. In other words, money that was being paid into a deferred compensation account will instead be paid to him on an annual basis. The remaining $134,000 comes from an $29,000 bump in his base pay, $5000 more added to his expense account and a $100,000 increase in supplemental income(i.e. Rams Club money.) He also has bonuses if UNC reaches top level bowls and the buyout scheme is still in place. I think this was an appropriate way to handle it. Over the half the money being used for the raise was set aside anyway and UNC basically realized that some accumulated retention bonus five years from now is not going to stop Davis from leaving but raising his present salary might and for now it did.
  • Ken Pomeroy has an interesting take at Basketball Prospectus arguing against UNC’s inclusion in the group of teams favored to win a national title and also saying the difference between UNC and Duke is smaller than most people realize. I am not going to get into this too much now. The 2005 had some similar things said about it at this point in the season three years ago. Look no further than the ESPN Power 16 poll in week #10 and #13 to see examples of the belief that UNC was no better than the fifth or sixth best team in the nation. The poll from week #17, which was two games into the NCAA Tournament, tells a different tale, one that matched the result after the title game. I know the concerns are there, I share them, but this season is only halfway done and I think UNC will meet the challenge when the time comes.

14 Responses to Odds and Ends

  1. Josh Bowling says:

    I do not let polls (well, polls alone) be the main criteria that shape my way of thinking on anything. As you have stated, they did not do any good 3 years ago.

  2. Josh Bowling says:

    You also have to argue/debate the premise of those that do polling data. You can almost generate any poll to say what you want it to say, given the way you word it or spin it, so to speak.

  3. jlakbj says:

    Grant Wahl leaves UNC off his “Magic Eight” – in favor of Louisville, Indiana, Xavier, Georgetown, and Tennessee.


    I can’t see how this makes any sense.

  4. Josh Bowling says:

    Well, he does have that defensive stat in his favor. He needs to do all of those parody things he mentioned if UNC makes final 4 because that is what he is arguing here, not the national title. I do not see how you can leave us out of the elite 8. I just don’t see it, as you have said. I am confident of a UNC victory over Xavier, Tennessee, and Louisville. Memphis, Kansas, and UCLA are teams I fear. One could say, “don’t you fear Georgetown who beat you last year?”. My short answer is NO! I don’t fear them. As a matter of fact, UNC got beat by the Tarheels in that elite 8, and Georgetown just happened to be the recipient of that internal conflict between ourselves with the styles of play and when to slow tempo down that we all are so aware of in that game.

  5. Josh Bowling says:

    That was a good find Jlakbj


  6. Dan Schwind says:

    In Grant Wahl’s defense, as he points out in the column, he’s not saying those will be the Elite 8 teams or that those are the 8 best teams in the country. The idea is just a gimmick that the national champion will come from one of those 8 teams.

    That said, I actually e-mailed his mailbag to ask why the hell he left UNC out, and in his reply, he said he decided heading into the column that he wanted to make things interesting by forcing himself to eliminate one of the “Big 4” (Memphis, Kansas, UCLA and UNC) and that he believed UNC was the odd team out because of the adjusted defensive ranking.

  7. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I have a post wound up that I will probably not pull the trigger on. I understand his gimmick there but the logic is contradictory when you say you are eliminating Team D because their defense is not as good as Teams A. B, and C but include Teams E, F, G, H and I even though these teams have worse defensive ratings and one of them(Louisville) is presently on the bubble.

  8. Schwartzy says:

    The most interesting thing is he excludes carolina based on its defensive efficiency, yet picks tennessee who as of right now is ranked 37th in defensive efficiency and 7th in offensive efficiency, both of which are well behind that of carolina. BS.

    THF: I removed the link

  9. william says:

    I sent Pomeroy an email yesterday that I forwarded to THF. I don’t know if this article today is a coincidence but he does not really address the crux of Adam Lucas’s question, which is whether Pomeroy is calculating UNC’s possessions either incorrectly or inappropriately. I am an agnostic since I have never really bothered to study how people determine that anyway.

    But this could make a difference, since Pomeroy appears to base his rankings only on Offensive and Defensive efficiency and nothing else, in contrast to his rival Sagrin, who has Carolina number one. based upon Pure Points analysis, which still seems to be the best way to determine team strength.

    I used to think that Pomeroy’s system was the best and I now have questions, not just because we are not number one, which is surely a fair question, but because, unlike in his article, where he says we are four or five, in his rankings, he has us ranked below Xavier, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Marquette, who have 11 losses between them.

  10. 52BigGameJames says:

    I can live with Pom’s assessment except for the room for improvement thingy favoring Duke. It bears repeating that Ginyard & Thompson haven’t really begun to reach their offensive potential, and IMO, Green hasn’t either…and that should be a scary prospect for other teams. Stephenson will contribute more as well.

  11. jackiemanuel says:

    I’m not too worked up about it. If you’ve seen Carolina play several games this year, you’ve seen them allow tons of easy baskets. That does not translate into championship basketball regardless of what stats say. I’m pretty pleased the media (locally, nationally, bloggers) has picked up on the no D angle. What better motivator could Roy want? Wahl and Pomeroy are great at what they do and they’ve just acknowledged what this team has to do.

  12. william says:

    Duke is running out of depth quickly. We’ll see if they win tonight even.

  13. BigDaddyDoc says:


    Great point about BMFD’s contract. I keep waiting for all those at the N&O (the supposed house organ of UNC if you listen to State fan) to retract their statements of being appalled and all the hand-wringing that went on. As you correctly point out, this information was really lost (or csat aside); a more accurate description would be that the contract was re-worked rather than the $300K raise that was trumpeted at the time.

  14. william says:

    I may be old school but I believe in sticking with the gal that brung ya. It was too soon for Davis to even appear to be raking us over the coals. Yeah, recruiting has been O.K. but the results this season were horrible, especially the Wake and Duke games.

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