UNC vs Wake Forest

Where: Dean Smith Center, Chapel Hill, NC
When: Sunday, February 24th, 6:30 PM
Records: UNC 25-2, 10-2 ACC; Wake Forest 16-8, 6-5 ACC

Lawson doubtful, Thompson probable.

One week ago, Wake Forest managed what no other ACC school had up to that point and that was winning over Duke.  In doing so they revealed to anyone who was watching how good their guard play was and some serious chops on defense.  The Demon Deacons also got a week off to enjoy it and prepare for a trip to Chapel Hill.  And while that were readying for the #3 team in the country, the middle of the pack feeding frenzy continued in the ACC and the dust settled to show Wake sitting a half game out of 3rd place at 6-5.  So as Wake board the bus to travel east, they do so looking for a 3rd place tie with idle over the weekend Clemson.  The downside for the Deacs is the actual boarding of the bus aspect of the whole situation since they are 14-1 at home but only 2-7 on the road.   In short I really have no idea what we will see from Wake in this game.  The big win over Duke and the week off screams flat start but the potential for an ascension in the standings says they will be highly motivated.

UNC comes off two impressive performances, one on the road in a building Wake lost in earlier this month.  Ty Lawson is still not ready to play but did take limited practice.  The good news is Deon Thompson is getting better and is listed as probably.  Hopefully he can go for a full game after a part of truncated stints.  In many respects it would have been nice to get Lawson back at full speed to face the quick Wake guards.  However most of that concern is mitigated with how well Quentin Thomas has played of late.  Still, handling Ish Smith and Jeff Teague is something Duke could not do and UNC’s perimeter defense ain’t the prettiest belle at the ball.  Dribble penetration has been a huge bugaboo for the Heels at points this season.  The positive for the Heels is the fact the defense has been playing much better and the Duke win means Wake will not be sneaking up on anyone.  Also, UNC has an interior game which can make life difficult for the Wake Forest post players which was not the issue against Duke.

Now that Duke has lost two and UNC is in position to control their own destiny in terms of winning the ACC regular season, all games from this point on are must wins.  Given how well Wake has been playing, there is opportunity here for the Heels to really establish themselves as the team to beat with a decisive win over the Deacs.  Which for me is more preferable than the way they handled the last opponent they play at 6:30 on a Sunday night.

UNC 90 Wake 75


155 Responses to UNC vs Wake Forest

  1. 52BigGameJames says:

    I expect to see some more zone from Roy tonight, and another double-digit effort from Ginyard. Bout time for Green to shake off the cob-webs too.

  2. MDTarheel says:

    My feeling is the Heels will win this get by 8 or more. Wake did make some bad turnovers in the Dook game. I don’t think they will be a problem for the Heels. And they have to deal with Pyscho T. Win and we should have the No# 2 ranking.

  3. william says:

    THF, I am wondering whether you have ever seen season one of the television show, Friday Night Lights?

    The reason I bring this up is that the actor Kyle Chandler as Coach Eric Taylor is to coaching what James Gandolfini is to the mob. He is simply superb and he really reminds me of a young Roy Williams, both in looks and demeanor, before Roy turned himself into a piece of schtick with the ole Roy routine.

    Anyway, I highly recommend it and predict that coaches everywhere will be doing their Eric Taylor impressions as what a coach should be and life will imitate art….

  4. william says:

    I don’t know if any of you are kenpom junkies like I am, but you might take a look at his rankings. I really think his newly devised rating system is piss poor, compared to his old one, but he seems to refuse to comment on it, despite email after email, lol.

    After yesterday’s big top twenty action, guess who Ken has as number 1? That’s right, Kansas, because well, just because I guess. Of course, Tennessee and UNC must be numbers two and three, right? Um, no. Carolina is number 6 as Ken persists in his season long contention that Wisconsin is better than UNC and Tennessee is number 14. 14? Wow. Talk about not mindlessly following the opinion polls, but could Tennessee really be that bad? And it was only after Kansas State’s 8th loss (8!) that Ken’s system finally deigned to move the 25-2 Tar Heels in front of KSU.

    I continue to recommend his system for everything but his team ratings, but given that he refuses to explain what is going on, I believe that they are currently worse than useless–go to Sagrin or Greenfield for power ratings.

  5. MDTarheel says:

    I know you are from MD, but where? I grew up in the Wheaton area and graduated from BCC in 83. Just wondering if we might know each other.

  6. william says:

    I grew up in Charlotte and graduated from East Mecklenburg in 1983, which used to be a great school but seems to be ageing these days.

  7. TxTarheel says:

    Friday Night Lights…haven’t seen the show but the book is a very good read. This book is not too complimentary in regards to the underpinnings of big-time high school football in Texas, however

    Not to be gloomy, but prior Sunday night ACC games for UNC thus far have not gone, shall we say, that smoothly this year. With Memphis & Kansas going down opens the way to a #2 ranking tomorrow.

  8. Here’s hoping that the typical “away” Wake Forest team shows up. Thankfully, Roy should not have had to go very far to show the team that Wake can beat good teams if they don’t play solid defense.

  9. william says:

    Wake is one of the top home teams in the country and Carolina is one of the top road and neutral court teams so we shall see what trumps what….

  10. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I think the pollsters will simply flip UT and Memphis.

  11. 52BigGameJames says:

    Gaudio is a class act–wish him all the luck in the world whenever they’re playing anyone but the Heels.

  12. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Everyone is handing K he ACC COY but consider this. If UNC wins out and Duke finishes 2nd outright while Wake goes 3-2 over their last five or even 4-1 and get to either 9-7 or 10-6 finishing in the 3-5 range I think the argument is strong for Gaudio. He took over after the death of Prosser, was picked for 11th and if gets Wake into the upper half that is far exceeding expectations where K simply met them even.

  13. 52BigGameJames says:

    THF–K should be ineligible for oh, say 3 years for last season’s behavior. Only half-kidding when I say good sportsmanship ought to be a consideration in the award too.

  14. william says:

    Memphis has no chance whatsoever to win the NCAA title because they will lose any close games unless they happen to be against Clemson, the only team just as bad at the free throw line.

    Memphis has been very unimpressive two Saturday’s in a row and with the exception of their win at home against Georgetown, I find them to be about the most overblown team since St. Joe’s. Their schedule is terrible in conference and their out of conference schedule is not all that great either. Look for them to go down in the round of 16.

  15. 52BigGameJames says:

    what do you think of Stanford william?

  16. 52BigGameJames says:

    Ellington looks like he’s ready for a big night.

  17. Big Apple Heel says:

    Ah, sweet bliss. FSN in NYC showed the NCSU/UVa game, but elected to show horse racing and some kind of game called “hockey” instead of the Heels. I will never understand this place, nor will I ever understand how FSN was allowed to inflict itself on ACC basketball.

    Is there a way to get streaming video through TarHeelBlue or any other Web outlet?

  18. william says:

    I honestly have not seen them play much. I read the SI article about their twin giants that mentioned that we beat them the last time they had twin towers in 2000. I guess they are on next. I have to think that a team like that would give us more trouble than Memphis. I read that ten page article on Memphis’s great new offense in SI last week and the jinx must have been on because Memphis looked terrible last night, after barely beating University of Albany-Binghamton the week before.

  19. william says:

    You have to get the Sports pack guys and then you just pick whichever FSN you want to watch. It is only $10 a month x 3 in basketball season.

  20. 52BigGameJames says:

    Big Apple–go drown your sorrows with a glass of sweet iced tea, and a bbq sandwich…oops.

    william–I love seeing teams like that in the NCAA’s–just hope they;re in somebody else’s bracket–good SI piece! Agree on Tigers.

  21. william says:

    Black Mountain North Carolina. I doubt they play much bball up there….

  22. william says:


  23. william says:

    Danny! Again!

  24. william says:

    Well, we are looking kind of so-so so far. The pace is good and we are getting fouls but we are not shooting well. We should foul Ish Smith every time he shoots.

  25. william says:

    Will Graves has a nice touch.

  26. 52BigGameJames says:

    Tyler and McFarland are really having at it underneath.

  27. 52BigGameJames says:

    hate to say it but Lawson’s injury has been a blessing in disguise-it will be interesting to see if bench observation time benefits him as well.

  28. Big Apple Heel says:

    William -many thanks, I somehow got a $2.95 package that does the job. Time Warner, for once, has not failed me.

    BGJ- If only there was some delicious Parker’s BBQ to be had!

  29. 52BigGameJames says:

    my wife doesn’t think much of FSN after that Hooter’s BD promo. I’m good.

  30. 52BigGameJames says:

    gettin a little separation–yeah!

  31. william says:

    Ginyard is killing us!

  32. william says:

    Then why are you complaining about what they cover, Big Apple?

  33. william says:

    Ellington saves us after two minutes of ragged play!

  34. william says:

    Northern Virginia now has an authentic pit b-cue place. The guy moved up from Rocky Mount I think.

  35. 52BigGameJames says:

    I bet somewhere in the deep canyons of Manhatten there’s a good NC que spot.

  36. william says:

    What is wrong with Ginyard? We need him running at all cylinders….

  37. 52BigGameJames says:

    could be the toe/ankle, but more likely struggling with his offensive confidence–ongoing problem.

  38. 52BigGameJames says:

    is it just me or does Wake ALWAYS have a bevy of foxy blondes?

  39. william says:

    He needs to do what he is good at and let the game come to him. Zen….

  40. william says:

    Time to set the DVD recorder since it is only possible to record one half of a game at HD quality….

  41. 52BigGameJames says:

    Tyler must be a Zen-Master!

  42. william says:

    You only get 70 minutes at top quality–if you stretch it any more, then you get wavy motion artifacts….

  43. william says:

    Tyler very well may be a Zen master.

  44. 52BigGameJames says:

    that would appear to be the case

  45. william says:

    You know, you never hear them call it “cage action” any more. Now it is always, “hoops.”

  46. william says:

    Maybe the PC crowd thought it was demeaning….

  47. 52BigGameJames says:

    cage action–that’s a UFC term now, lol.

    here’s some cage action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW-vQr7wcFM

  48. 52BigGameJames says:

    4 on Mac!

  49. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Okay, now the kids are in bed I can give the game my full attention.

  50. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Ya think Ellington is on? Those threes are touching nothing but the nets.

    Huge game from Stepheson tonight. Just the number of guys who have become better players because of the injuries could be the key in the tournament.

  51. 52BigGameJames says:

    he’s truly developing a scorer’s mentality.

  52. 52BigGameJames says:

    Deon has GOT to start setting up closer to the basket!

  53. It seems like Wake’s guards are really exposing how badly we need Lawson back.

  54. 52BigGameJames says:

    Wake’s guards would expose a lot of people

  55. 52BigGameJames says:

    Green gives Roy a couple more gray hairs.

  56. Tar Heel Fan says:

    True, but this game is a reality check that while we are ecstatic with the way QT has played, we still need Lawson to be able to handle quick perimeter teams.

  57. John says:

    Big Apple Heel,

    Which Parker’s are you talking about? Wilson, I assume. I’ve always been partial to B’s in G-Vegas, or Skylight Inn in Ayden.

    Alright. Back to “hoops.”

  58. william says:

    Ellington’s last one bonked hard and he was wide open. This team is still dangerous and we are lollygagging around like this is a scrimmage

  59. True enough, James.

    I guess I mean that, as much improved as Q is (and I glad we all are about that), we are at best a top 15 team in the long run without Lawson. If everybody else plays to their potential, we are going to still beat a lot of teams, but it is getting close to the time of year where we are going to have to have Lawson back, at his customary form, and the team readjusted to his presence, or we will not be able to accomplish our goals for the season.

  60. william says:

    You guys keep talking about players we don’t have. Bobby would help too and so would Marvin–he’d only be a Senior….

  61. william says:

    Ginyard had no business throwing that pass.

  62. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Tim Brando referred to MD as the “surging Terepains.” Hasn’t MD lost three straight?

    William, you are correct. The Heels are really messing around and they should put the foot on the throat and crush them.

  63. william says:

    Boy, Graves can shoot.

  64. william says:

    Roy, play Graves more. He is by far our best outside shooter.

  65. william says:

    Wake may be young but they play about as stupidly as possible. Really dumb fouls.

  66. william says:

    Yeah, let’s see some Christian Laettner attitude out there….

  67. william says:

    Danny Booyyyy!

  68. william says:

    Green is from New York–he is honorary Irish….

  69. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I think that was the extension of the lead I have been waiting for.

    Also, Marcus Ginyard has five TOs tonight. Obviously just a bad game for him.

  70. william says:

    Talking about Q’s potential, I would like to see Lawson play up to his touted potential. He definitely has not achieved his high school press clippings so far. I was expecting Phil Ford. He is excellent, but not yet even a Ray Felton….

  71. william says:

    ‘twould be hard to blow it now….

  72. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Anyone know if McFarland and Hansbrough are friends? They seem pretty friendly out there talking and at one point Chas gave Tyler a slap on the rear after a play.

  73. william says:

    Everybody said that Carolina had no new players coming in this year, which is incorrect and Will Graves has been quite an addition on the offensive end.

  74. william says:

    McFarland does not appear to be the brightest bulb….

  75. william says:

    Two Sunday’s in a row and McFarland makes stupid play after stupid play….

  76. william says:

    Ragged game on both sides….

  77. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Tim Brando re: QT-“A rare turnover by the senior”

    Wow, never thought I’d hear that said.

  78. william says:

    Except I can count at least 3….

  79. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I don’t think Roy is going to be happy in the postgame press conference.

  80. 52BigGameJames says:

    I noticed that too THF-not sure

    good pint william (that’s Irish-wink)

  81. william says:

    But now we have 6 days off to recuperate….

  82. 52BigGameJames says:

    Green has had a monster defensive game.

  83. william says:

    If Wake makes the tournament, it will be a short stay…. Don’t get those week-end suites….

  84. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Nice for Danny to show back up. 15 points and 9 boards.

  85. william says:

    Does that count as a turnover by Q?

  86. william says:

    We have crushed Wake and played p-poor.

  87. 52BigGameJames says:

    this could be Marcus’ worst game this season

  88. 52BigGameJames says:

    homework the culprit

  89. Tar Heel Fan says:

    That depends on how the official scorer sees it. When I was at UNCG I worked in the SID office and one of my jobs during basketball games was to help the SID guy enter the plays into a computer program that created the play-by-play sheets. I am not sure how I would have called that one. Pass was not great but QT had his hands on it.

    At any rate looks like they may have charged to Ginyard.

  90. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Six TOs for Ginyard. That is 1/3 of the team total.

  91. william says:

    Yeah, tough call. I think Basketball may be tougher than baseball or football in terms of discretion….

  92. Tar Heel Fan says:

    BTW, that stint at UNCG included us playing Duke at the Greensboro Coliseum and I sat about 10 feet from the Duke bench. Made my skin crawl the whole time. That was the Greg Newton years.

  93. Tarheel Brn&Bred says:

    heels going to cover!? gonna go down to the wire!!

  94. 52BigGameJames says:

    that had to hurt

  95. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Oh…I was close on the score.

  96. william says:

    After hearing all week how great Wake is, we won by a decent margin….

  97. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Yeah, and we did not take care of the ball for anything.

  98. william says:

    I didn’t know you were a UNCG grad, THF….

  99. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Yes…I ran cross country there for three years, did my senior year in the SID office.

  100. william says:

    That proves that the Tar Heels belong to all of the people of our beloved Old North State….

  101. william says:

    Who would you root for if Carolina played UNCG?

  102. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I was a lifelong fan from as early as I can remember. I wanted to go to UNC but my SAT was a tad low and UNCG offered the partial scholly to run XC there.

  103. william says:

    I went to George Mason for law and had to root for the Heels against Mason in 2006, although in retrospect I am glad that Mason won since they established themselves in a way that Carolina obviously already had. It didn’t make me any happier that day, however….

  104. Tar Heel Fan says:

    It’s funny because I ran against UNC in XC meets so I have been in competitive position against the Heels and I swore that while I was at UNCG I would not raise a hand against my school. At this point though if UNCG gets into the NCAA and find themselves against the Heels, obviously I would pull for the Heels but bear no hostility against the Spartans.

  105. william says:

    Wasn’t UNCG really good one year just a few years back? I forget what conference they are in.

  106. 52BigGameJames says:

    they were briefly ranked number 1 in men’s soccer 3? years back.

  107. william says:

    Ron Green said one time that Carolina had more fans than all the other teams that the Observer covered combined….

  108. 52BigGameJames says:

    anyone gonna watch some of the Stanford/Cal game?

  109. william says:

    Maybe after The L Word….

  110. 52BigGameJames says:


  111. william says:

    i remember them in soccer. I thought they had a good b-ball team too a few years back. Maybe it was UNCW.

  112. william says:

    It’s on Showtime right now….

  113. 52BigGameJames says:

    don’t subscribe, so I have no idea

  114. william says:

    Jennifer Beals and Marlee Matlin…. High class stuff….

  115. william says:

    They are goodlooking but also drawn to other women which leads to interesting plot lines….

  116. william says:

    Cal and Stanford are West coast Duke-Carolina wannabees….

  117. william says:

    They are all like, “we are only 22 miles further apart than Duke and Carolina.”

  118. 52BigGameJames says:

    ever watch “Breaking Bad”?–I’m hooked.

  119. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Yes and yes.

    When I was there, they had two straight years of being really good. The first, 1995, the Big South had lost it’s automatic bid but it did not matter UNCG lost in the conf. final. In 1996, UNCG won the whole thing, got the big and lost to Cincy by four as a #15 seed. UNCG later joined the Southern Conference and won that tourney in 2001. I remember that because I was flipping between UNC’s piss poor effort versus Duke at home and UNCG winning the Southern Conference title.

    In soccer, I think they may have been ranked #1 in recent years but in 1996 they were a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney and hosted Notre Dame and lost 1-0. I was down on the field working for the SID during that one and I can honestly tell you the NCAA is really anal about how tournament games are played right down to starting at the exact minute they say it is supposed to start.

  120. william says:

    No, but I just ordered Seasons one and two of “The White Shadow.”

  121. 52BigGameJames says:

    one of my assistant coaches’ brother played for them in 03 (I think) ….last name Ferrell-anchored their defense.

  122. william says:

    I must be remembering 1996. See, when you hit your 40’s that seems recent….

  123. william says:

    Ken Howard was a stud….

  124. william says:

    I am going to see if there is a box yet….

  125. 52BigGameJames says:

    lol–we rented “Michael Clayton” last night–I doubt Ken Howard can dunk anything but a donut now.

  126. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Anyone want to write the game up for the blog? 😉

  127. william says:

    Yeah, because he has a bad knee. That is why he left the NBA….

  128. william says:

    That game was horrible all around. Wake cannot be happy with that effort and Carolina was ragged.

  129. william says:

    Will Graves gets my player of the game award for two timely 3’s when we needed them.

  130. william says:

    Alex was 4-5, with 9 points and 6 boards–on second thought, he gets the award.

  131. william says:

    We only made 26-34 free throws–not good.

  132. 52BigGameJames says:

    THF–that would be like a house-painter subbing on the Sistine Chapel.

    william–how about Chuck Connor’s NBA career…”the original Rifleman”!

  133. william says:

    Wake only made 8-17 free throws, earning their distinction as worst in the ACC except for Clemson….

  134. william says:

    Wasn’t he a baseball player?

  135. william says:

    I preferred Chuck Connors in another show called “Branded.”

  136. william says:

    Wake hit one of their last ten 3’s….

  137. 52BigGameJames says:

    yes, but he also played for the Celtics–pretty amazing career!

  138. william says:

    Branded! Branded as the one who ran. What can you do when you are branded and still a man?

  139. william says:

    Thomas ended up with 7 assists and only 3 turnovers, so they must not have given him that last one, THF.

  140. 52BigGameJames says:

    I remember

  141. william says:

    Stepheson also had 3 blocked shots.

  142. Tar Heel Fan says:

    No…he got his 3rd on a palming violation I think. Ginyard had five before that play happened and then the play-by-play showed the TO was on him giving him six.

  143. william says:

    He was a big deal when I was a little kid.

  144. 52BigGameJames says:

    I liked him too, but he gave me the creeps when he called his tv son “boy”.

  145. william says:

    I remember him and that show Daniel Boone….

  146. william says:

    We had 3 team rebounds, whatever the heck that means.

  147. william says:

    Ginyard did have five boards but I guess we know why he is 3rd string PG….

  148. william says:

    7-14 from three point land. That must be our best all year….

  149. william says:

    Well, I guess I am going to shut things down. It’s nice having this 2.9 lb laptop….

  150. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Team rebound, IIRC, is when the ball comes off the rim and is knocked out of bounds by the player of one team giving the ball to the other team. Since no one on the team inbounding the ball actually rebounded the ball and the player who knocked the ball out never had possession they credit it as a team rebound.

  151. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Have a nice night william

  152. william says:

    When you do your next post, THF, remind me to go through the very few Tar Heel teams who have ever reached the heights of a 26-2 record and you will see that this team is beginnning to really achieve some things….

  153. TxTarheel says:

    Things seem much better than 2 weeks ago & the nearly-death experinece against Clemson. Either it’s just me or signs are that guys are starting to come around into their roles a little more; 2 weeks ago this game could’ve been closer. You are dead-on, 26-2 is reaching some darn lofty standards

    please keep references in the future to NC barbecue / Parker’s at a minimum…i live in a forsaken land called ‘Texas’ that knows not the glory of which you speak (let alone a real glass of sweet tea, least not in Dallas). Don’t get me started on Bojangles…the agony

  154. rbl says:

    Someone cast aspersions on Black Mountain basketball. Brad Daugherty (sp?) was from there.

    Regarding rivalries – someone alluded to Cal-Stanford – I live in Ohio and may enter the Guiness Book of World Records by being the only person to unify Ohio State and Michigan fans when I tell them how Mickey Mouse their rivalry is!!

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