UNC 90 FSU 77

Memo to Toney Douglas.  If you are going to tell an ESPN.com writer that FSU will “shock the world” you might want to do more than score 11 points on 3-12 shooting with a nice 1-9 from the three point line.

This was an ugly game and UNC did not play good defense in general.  The offense was off as well with Ellington not scoring until the second half, Hansbrough getting off to a slow start and everyone acting like the weather outside had them depressed.  Danny Green was once again there picking his spots to his key shots when asked to do it.  Sparked by Green, UNC picked their game up finishing the first half on a run and allowed FSU no closer than six points the rest of the way. As for QT and Lawson, I would venture to say Lawson looked better though it is obvious his speed is not there like it was before.  However his court vision is still very good and he did hit the jump shots available to him which might make him better down the road.   QT still looked to struggle a tad, got into some foul trouble but capped off his Dean Dome career with a nice dunk on a drive down the lane.

The odd thing is this game is very similar to the UNC-FSU game in 2005 which was played on March 3rd in Chapel Hill and UNC won 91-76.  The other similarity, besides the closeness of the score and date, was UNC struggling in that game and actually trailing at the half and with 13 minutes left in the game.  From there UNC turned it on and pulled away for the win.  The game this evening was similar to the degree in which the Heels struggled to put a consistent effort together on both ends but they seemingly figured out enough to get ahead by 12 at the half and never really were threatened after that point. What is striking about this it is easy to worry about how UNC played tonight but then you realize that the 2005 team had similar struggles at the same point in the season versus an FSU team that was at the bottom of the conference.

The ultimate point is you are getting to a juncture in the season where winning is the only thing that matters, how it happens is a secondary issue.


14 Responses to UNC 90 FSU 77

  1. william says:

    Strangely enough, for such a good free throw shooting squad, FSU’s struggles at the line seemed to break their momentum in the last few minutes of the first half. Carolina wasn’t getting stops but I think we got a couple of 3’s and FSU was missing at the line.

    It reminded me of our team, which is actually the top free throw shooting team in the ACC in league play, essentially blowing our chance of beating Duke by bonking free throws when we usually hit close to 80%.

  2. Johnny says:

    The difference in 2005 was that Sean May started to dominate with the Dook game. Prior to that he had been simply “good.” But the final game against Dook, the ACC tourney and the NCAA tourney saw him “dominate.” I remember prior to the Dook game in 2005 I felt very much about that team as I do about this team: they’re good, but can they be great? So this is the time for players to step up. The challenge for the 2008 Heels is that I don’t think we can expect much more from Hansbrough who already gives his all and dominates, so it will have to be Ellington, Lawson and Green that need to step it up.

  3. Silent Sam says:

    For some reason FSU’s FT% is .806 in non-conference games, .748 in ACC games and .780 overall.

    Against the Heels last night FSU made 22 of 29 FTs which is .759.

  4. Silent Sam says:

    Yikes – sorry about the serious error I made — FSU was 17-25 (.680) against the Heels. The Heels are the ones who were 22-29.

    Apologies to all.

  5. Will says:

    According to the media guide, the most wins in a season is 34, which was the 92-93 team (34-4) and the 97-98 team (34-4). Second place is the 04-05 team (33-4).

    This team has 28 wins with a possible 10 more games. The NCAA record for wins in a season is 37.

  6. william says:

    The only thing that I can figure, Sam, is that FSU shoots better in non-conference games because the opponents do not know them as well. In conference play, defenders have a better idea of whom to foul and of whom not to foul. Otherwise, it might just be a statistical blip, but it seems like a significant difference.

  7. MDtarheelfan says:

    Poor flow to the first half last night. Alot of fouls and the Heels intensity seem to be down. Noticed Tyler was out a bit in the first half and did anyone notice the Lawson, Q line up for quite a few minutes? Was that because of Ginyards foul trouble and/or Ellingtons lack of a shot? Lawson seemed to step it up in the second half but still needs more time. Great game for Green. Nice to see Wood score some points and Q with some sweet shots and the dunk to finish his playing career at home. Lets hope Va runs Dook tonight and the Heels bring the complete game on Saturday.

  8. william says:

    Teams used to be limited to four or five fewer games. The 1982, 1993 and 1998 teams all made it to the finals of the ACC tournament which adds a game, perhaps.

    Before the mid-1980’s, the NCAA has byes, which subtracts a game. Surprisingly the record for most wins without a loss is held by UNC and Indiana. Even though they played fewer games back then, Carolina added three in the tournament and played an extra game in its regional, leading to its total, which is more than any of the undefeated years by San Francisco or UCLA.

    Another interesting fact for all of you PPP people is that Carolina’s win in 1957 was even more amazing than it seems because Kansas had five extra possessions automatically over Carolina. This is something we don’t think about anymore, but having a Jabbar or Chamberlain back then meant two extra possessions on average per game. In the 1957 title game, Kansas won all five tip-offs during each half and over-time and Carolina still overcame this advantage in a low scoring game.

  9. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I think the fouls created some odd lineup situations but I have said all along that I think we will see Lawson and QT on the floor at the same time versus Duke to take care of the ball and also to give Duke fits with two quick guards. And if Lawson is looking more for the jump shot right now than he is the penetration because of the ankle then put him at the 2, Ellington at 3, Green or Ginyard at 4 and Hansbrough at 5.

  10. Will says:

    I think the small line-up idea is not really necessary against Duke. Tyler can guard Singler on the perimeter, and Duke keeps one guy under the basket, which Deon/Alex can guard. What we need is for our backcourt (whoever they are) to keep Duke from getting in the lane and drawing help defense. If we do that, we are set. Duke has no backup plan because they have no one to give the ball inside. My guess is Roy is going to have in the game whoever can guard the perimeter and then pound Tyler on offense.

  11. Tar Heel alum and fan says:

    I agree with THF about the use of both Lawson and Q against Duke and some variation of the lineup to counter Duke’s form of the Phoenix Suns’ offense of drive, dish and shoot open 3-pointers. In the first game it seemed like UNC players were standing in cement, that Duke guards could drive into the paint at will and that UNC reaction to post-up 3-point shooters after the drives and dishes was often too slow. When I watched pieces of the Duke losses, they basically were off the mark on their 3-point shots but many of those were contested and their guards driving the lane were harassed. It would also be nice for UNC players to understand the Duke system, that double-teaming a guard driving to the basket allows for an open Duke player on the perimeter to take an open shot, which the system is designed to create.

  12. 52BigGameJames says:

    which is why I think we’ll see some 3/2 zone from Roy.

  13. Tar Heel alum and fan says:

    I agree with that as well. I don’t understand why UNC doesn’t mix in some zone from time to time, especially against Duke to slow their drives. It also would allow UNC to even more completely dominate the defensive boards. If I recall correctly (and I may not) Roy used zone pretty effectively occasionally during his last championship run.

  14. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Roy does not like it, says he cannot coach it so he will not use it. I hope he is not as stubborn as what he previously indicated because both NCSU and Miami used zone on Duke and it was extremely effective because the bread and butter of that system is drive and kick or pick and pop. If you can play a good matchup zone that bothers perimeter shooters but limits the drives Duke is vulnerable.

    We will see if Dave Leiato can coach as good as he can curse tonight with a little zone from UVa.

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