NCAA Tournament: 2nd Round Saturday

Duke is on tap first and for the sake of the ACC needs to win.

We also find out what Michael Beasley can do with Wisconsin which plays great defense and is tough on the interior.  UNC’s potential Sweet Sixteen opponent will be decided in the #4 Wash St vs #5 Notre Dame.  The other 4-5 game between Pitt and Michigan State should also be an interesting game.  The two 3-6 games look to be so-so.

The other question of the day is will Kansas or UCLA in the 2nd round? Conventional wisdom says no but this is the NCAA Tournament, you know what it does to conventional wisdom.

My bracket is pretty messy thanks to Clemson and UConn.  Here is hoping things work better today.


53 Responses to NCAA Tournament: 2nd Round Saturday

  1. TxTarheel says:

    if memory serves UNLV knocked off Wisconsin (#2) last year…on the other side will Texas A&M be able to muster enough offense to perhaps rattle the Bruins? I don’t see either KU or UCLA losing today, but never say never.

    Pitt-Mich State could be a real test of mettle for those watching. Defensive battle of wits, though I like Izzo’s teams this time of year (in another bracket, that is)

  2. Jonathan Starsmore says:

    Who is this Bob Wenzel and why does CBS hate us so much that they’re forcing us to listen to him?

  3. Santiago says:

    I hear you THF. Although I’m (inexplicably) leading in my NCAAT pool, the UConn and Clemson losses will hurt me for a couple rounds to come. Just goes to show you that when filling your brackets, a coin toss works as good or better than *expert* analysis.

    Anybody else glad the ‘Heels aren’t in Tampa?

  4. Jonathan Starsmore says:

    Craig Bolerjack: “Now you see West Virginia increasing their own defensive intensity.” Translation: “West Virginia has noticed the amount of hand-checking the referees are letting Duke get away with and is trying to do the same thing.”

  5. 52BigGameJames says:

    Tex: I too am looking forward to that Pitt/MSU match-up-should be high-level stuff!

  6. TxTarheel says:

    Bolerjack and Wenzel are perfect together….I don’t care to listen to either one of them. Wenzel always reminds of the ‘Mad Dog’ Russo guy who is on (still I assume) WFAN in New York

  7. 52BigGameJames says:

    maybe I’m late to the party, but it appears to me the BE has passed us by as the premier hoops conference, in terms of coaches, players and teams.

  8. TxTarheel says:

    Wenzel yammering about heart and WVU scores on the backdoor!! duke will have a chance to stay close at the FT, these refs are ridiculous in the ticky-tack calls

  9. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Duke is toast. I was listening to Bob Harris and he was pretty despondent.

  10. TxTarheel says:

    Wenzel is a confirmed doofus, at least Raftery is entertaining with the babble. Dook can not hit a 3-pointer…they should find Scheyer or Paulus for some looks

  11. Jonathan Starsmore says:

    Duke is done for. They have no legs left on their jumpshots and they’re being manhandled on the boards by a pretty average rebounding team.

    I’m glad that the game will be over soon and I don’t have to listen to Wenzel talk about his “antidote to the defensive pressure” any more. Nor his unholy love for the word “indeed.” I’d rather listen to anybody else, even Jimmy Dykes… and I’m going to have to go to therapy for having typed that.

  12. 52BigGameJames says:

    Duke would’ve been better served to mix a 3/2 zone in the first half. I hope we aren’t so stubborn as to make the same error should it be needed at some point.

  13. william says:

    Since 1994, when Duke overachieved to reach the finals, they have only had one successful post-season since: 2001. What was different about that year? Duke had injuries and had to totally re-shuffle its line-up and they seemed to have no problem with legs. Granted, they were really deep that year, but something must have changed.

    The only other thing I can think of is that due to all the transfers early in this decade, recruits may be shying away from Duke and K simply hasn’t had the talent he had from 1986-1994 and from 1998-2004.

  14. william says:

    Maybe Duke would have done better in Raleigh. The other problem for Duke is they were matched up with WVU, which is located only 2 hours from DC, with many of the eastern parts of the state being in the DC suburbs. Definitely no home court advantage for Duke like they usually have on the East coast.

  15. william says:

    This was no upset. West Virginia beats them 7 times out of 10.

  16. 52BigGameJames says:

    exactly–this was more about WV than about Duke’s deficiencies.

  17. william says:

    Thank Wake Forest if the Big East has passed the ACC in basketball. Wake voted against Carolina and Duke and in favor of expansion. This is why I do not really care for Wake Forest anymore and find their failures in basketball laughable, not too mention kicking aside their first team quarterback in favor of the mediocre Riley Skinner and we all saw how much better Cincinnati was than Wake this year. Wake was pathetic, losing by 34 points against Clemson.

    Secondly, if expansion was inevitable, WVU should have been the pick instead of BC. WVU has far better sports than BC, but all the snobs in the ACC didn’t want WVU and thought bringing in BC would expand the media market.

  18. william says:

    I am just a layman but Duke really seems to have laid off from the Phoenix Suns look the last few weeks. There were times where it really was tough for teams to keep up with them as they circled and set picks. Duke seemed to be standing around a lot on offense today.

  19. 52BigGameJames says:

    that’s an interesting take–depending on the rest of the Tourney, this transition will be a BIG story! you’re right-WV would be a more natural choice.

  20. 52BigGameJames says:

    Wisconsin appears to have a VERY efficient game.

  21. Santiago says:

    I eagerly await Coach K’s reason for the outcome of this game.* Might be “too much emotion,” or the fact that Duke “didn’t lose; WVU “just won.” Personally, I expect Mr. Rationalization to shock us with the revelation that the entire Duke bench has the flu to at least some degree, a la the K/Roy injured player brouhaha.

    * I’d say Duke loss, but we all know that Dook doesn’t lose games.

  22. william says:

    WVU already had big rivalries with VPI and to a lesser extent with Maryland and UVA, which are both less than 3 hours away. They would have lost being in the same conference with Pitt but they still could have scheduled them in football. WVU was the school of HotRod Hundley and Jerry West and was a former Southern Conference member. It just made too much sense. If it hadnt been for the Virginia General Assembly balking, it would have been Syracuse instead.

  23. 52BigGameJames says:

    checkin out–see you guys tomorrow!

  24. TxTarheel says:

    Duke’s 1999 team was no slouch. They lost twice that year, in particular to UCONN in the NCAA Finals on a late score by Rip Hamilton. Langdon then famously turned it over off his foot. The other loss was last second tip-in by Cincinatti. That ’99 team was beastly (Brand, Battier, Avery, Magette)

    I think they’ve shied away from the top-tier recruits after being burned by Luol Deng (1 year) and Shaun Livingston (straight to the NBA pine). not sure if Roy holds the same thought after Marvin & Brandan were also 1-done.

  25. william says:

    I was going to deride Duke’s whole season as a fraud, but honestly, when you look at their schedule, it is pretty good:

    They beat Illinois, Michigan, Marquette, Cornell, Temple, Wisconsin, Davidson, St. John’s and New Mexico State. Granted, Michigan and St. Johns are really down, but they are traditional powers and they rest of their schedule is probably tougher than ours, given that we probably didn’t play anyone as tough as Wisconsin or Marquette out of conference, and maybe not even as tough as Temple.

    Maybe they need to play some more tough away games but the schedule was pretty tough.

  26. william says:

    Roy is willing to mix one one year guy but has made sure to have plenty of Ginyards and Frasors to carry the load. Duke’s 1999 team was probably the greatest of all time but still, they under-achieved. I know some of it is just luck, both good and bad and all the breaks Duke got in the late 80’s may just be going the other way now, but that’s life….

  27. Jack says:

    Perhaps K’s motivational speeches are the difference for why two ACC teams are already out:

  28. Matt says:

    That ’99 Duke team was probably every bit as good as the ’01 team that won it all.

    Duke’s problem ever since Carlos Boozer left is that they have not had a legitimate bruiser down low who can score when the 3’s aren’t falling. I’d be interested to see some statistics on the progression of Duke’s 3 pt % as the season has progressed for the past few years.

    That said, I have absolutely loved watching Duke flame out in the NCAAs these past few years.

  29. william says:

    The 1999 team was almost certainly the best team Duke ever had. It is interesting how no one ever turned Langdon(I think it was Langdon) into the Fred Brown of 1999, when he threw the ball away in the final seconds againt UConn and Duke never even got to put up a shot to win.

  30. keithunc says:

    Carolina win or the Dookies lose. I feel the same spring in my step.

  31. Will says:

    With Beasley getting knocked out of the tournament, I think that clears the way for Hansbrough to officially lock down the Naismith and Wooden awards. Will take 3 great games to do it, but we know he’s capable.

  32. keithunc says:

    This thought is kind of echoing inside my head. Dookies loose, Clemson loose. Maryland didn’t even make it into the tourny and loose first game NIT. I am starting to feel this doubt about how good the ACC really was this year. The Heels ruled the ACC. So are my beloved Heels king of the poop ACC or king of the land. Starting to worry.

  33. Jonathan Starsmore says:

    Maryland won one game in the NIT (@Minnesota), but yes, they stunk it up down the stretch.

  34. william says:

    Maryland won their first NIT game and I think VPI is still in it.

  35. Schwartzy says:

    I think the ACC is still one of the strongest conferences. Clemson lost to a Villanova team that’s consistently been in the NCAA’s, including an elite eight appearance two years ago. Jay Wright’s been there many times before. Oliver Purnell is a class act coach, but doesn’t have the NCAA experience that Wright does, and it showed,
    As for Duke, they played their best basketball in December and it slowly degraded from that point on. The same thing happened last year, with Duke reaching #5 in the polls falling hard as the season progressed. Why? Don’t know, don’t care. But, it’s what I like to see.

  36. TxTarheel says:

    haven’t seen much yet but Kansas is getting all they want in half # 1. With Xavier winning at least there will be # 3 left in UCLA’s bracket

  37. Schwartzy says:

    Besides, the pac10 is in worse shape than we are. Stanford down at the half, their coach’s been ejected. Arizona, Oregon, USC: gone.

  38. Schwartzy says:

    “These Kansas guards are unstoppable!!..except right there…”

  39. TxTarheel says:

    for the ACC a few teams in the lower half were decent to quite good 3-5 years ago. Virginia and NC State experienced a change in coaching, as has Wake (although an unfortunate one to make, obviously). Maryland is not the same program from 4-5 years ago…seeing Durant & Beasley both go out to the Big 12 has to hurt G Williams standing in the region somewhat. Florida State, I dunno…woulda thought Hamilton get turn that puppy around by now

    Georgetown has been resurgent, and West Virginia is much better as well. Just seems cyclical to me, nothing else. Tennessee and Memphis are suddenly top-5 programs (from really nowhere 5-6 years ago)

  40. william says:

    THF, you were supposed to tell us who to root for between WSU and Notre Dame. Generally, you always want to face the lower seed, but this could be an exception to the general rule given that Notre Dame seems to have a player similar to Hansbrough down low. Regardless, it looks like it will be WSU if Carolina can get passed Ar-Kansas.

  41. TxTarheel says:

    stanford / marquette going down to the wire…refs are handing out Tech fouls like they’re easter eggs

  42. nathan says:

    Its been a down year for the ACC, no doubt. There were just not that many marquee players in the league. Next year looks better though. NC State should be improved. Wake Forest looks strong. Clemson will continue their upwards trajectory. Va Tech should not drop off at all. Ga Tech had a young team this year. Duke will be Duke. And of course UNC will be somewhere from national contender to ACC contender, depending on if anybody bolts to the NBA.

  43. TxTarheel says:

    now heading to OT…can’t figure why Marquette attempted 3-pointer at the end

  44. Tar Heel Fan says:

    This Marq-Stan game is great…they are just trading baskets in OT.

  45. Tar Heel Fan says:


    I was hoping to reprise some of those great UNC-ND tournament games from the 1980s such as David Rivers dribbling the ball of his foot with the game tied and Kenny Smith getting dunk for the game winner off of it.

  46. TxTarheel says:

    1 of the Lopez twins hit a great shot to win that game…my sheet of integrity is getting battered & bruised

  47. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Wow…CBS mystifies me. They left the first minutes of Pitt-Mich St to show us the final 30 seconds of Kansas whipping UNLV then sent it to a commercial.

  48. TxTarheel says:

    Apparently $1 billion / year for the tournament rights does not also include reasonably common sense to not whiplash the audience to/fro on games which have long been concluded. the buffoonery at headquarters is comical

  49. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Well at least the weather has been good so we do not have severe weather interruptions.

  50. Tar Heel Fan says:

    I want the phrase “A (insert high seed here) is in trouble in (insert game site here)” banned until there are less than 10 minutes left in the game and the lead is two possessions or more. Dick Enberg just said UCLA was in trouble because they are down three at halftime.

  51. TxTarheel says:

    UCLA was down by 10 but has rallied…however this is very ugly on the offensive end. only the most-defensive minded could find something to like here

  52. Tar Heel Fan says:

    Their defense has kept them in the game but your are right. I tend to like my games with things like points in them.

  53. Tar Heel Fan says:

    That was the best shot at taking out UCLA given the next game will be versus a 12 or 13 followed by Xavier or WVU.

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